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*lemming* · Aug 20, 2010, 12:58 PM // 12:58

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Originally Posted by Terrible Surgeon

So abusing the "system" is ok? It wasn't in HB and TA. They were deleted for "in the system abuse." Cheating is cheating...i don't care if its from an external source as you seem to be suggesting or a in game exploit that is found. It needs fixed, or ANET looks like a bunch of Hippocratic fools for deleting HB and TA saying those arenas were ABUSED and thus NEEDED deleted but then leaving RA to be abused..

I'm obviously not privy to the coding process, but I'm willing to bet that recoding the queue to select randomly instead of in order would have taken less time to implement than what they actually did.

clear · Aug 20, 2010, 02:34 PM // 14:34

Might as well remove RA. They removed TA so where are the syncers supposed to go?

Lithril Ashwalker · Aug 20, 2010, 02:43 PM // 14:43

I agree with you on removing RA however your reasons are a bit unjustified. You say "I" too much and don't place many facts to backup your statement to why it should be removed. If you dislike RA, which is the vibe I'm getting, simply don't play it. Stop QQing in this thread unless you have viable proof to why your right. Also, you are QQing, as soon as someone said so you had to snap back as if you were ready to be called a troll. Gwguru's community has to deal with more important things than listen to the wasteful thread space like this. Go play jq/fa/ha...GG

McMullen · Aug 20, 2010, 02:55 PM // 14:55

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Originally Posted by clear

Might as well remove RA. They removed TA so where are the syncers supposed to go?

Codex.. There's a nice shiny title to acquire there yet you don't see many people playing that.

Just randomise the RA queue system like Lemming suggested and add dAT's/mAT's for Codex with increased rewards, problem solved.

Swahnee · Aug 20, 2010, 03:16 PM // 15:16

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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

Okay, this is not really a solution that I would consider out of bounds, and I would probably support it if it weren't for one thing: that leaves only Hero, Champion, and Honor to affect the balth faction cap. I don't really feel like it would be okay to freeze Gladiator and effectively stop anyone who doesn't have levels in it from grabbing higher balth ranks. We'd essentially need some other track to take Gladiator's place of granting players progress on the balth faction track that would again be mutually exclusive with Gladiator for the benefit it grants.

Why not merge gladiator and codex titles, leaving RA without title, and letting people who like to have their HoM statue play CA (which could revamp it perhaps)?

Mia Clemons · Aug 20, 2010, 04:00 PM // 16:00

Perhaps prevent RA Teams with ppl in the same guild?

jazilla · Aug 20, 2010, 04:00 PM // 16:00

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Originally Posted by Terrible Surgeon

I agree with you 100%. But ANET is not bringing back TA. And like i said, they left a white elephant in the room by deleting TA and not freezing the glad title track. Shit flows down stream and RA was down stream from TA. So naturally all the glad title hunters moved to the only place they could to get points. So now RA is plagued by syncers..and i hate it.
I love the idea of facing four random people and having three other random people on my team. I'll play the cards i am dealt. Syncers are like cheaters at a poker game. They are not willing to play the cards they are dealt.

so the problem with the game in your own words is that people exploit things. so the people like myself who don't exploit this are gonna miss out on a format they really like because players cheat? also, why didn't you just start off with this explanation of the problem as the original topic since its obvious this is where your problem in the format really is based on. i have have no issue with this being your problem. it is an issue, but its also a problem that lies with cheating players and not with RA itself. Get rid of the cheaters and get rid of the problem.

EDIT: I am no programmer so I have no idea how this would work so I can offer no solution. At least I don't see as many bots as I used to see

Lithril Ashwalker · Aug 20, 2010, 04:10 PM // 16:10

actually eliminate the privalage of same alliance syncing, problem solved

AndroBubbles · Aug 20, 2010, 05:32 PM // 17:32

I have less than 1k til Glad8 and I got 99% of my glad points from RA, so excuse you. All you've done here is whine without providing any real evidence that supports what you're suggesting. If you're worried about syncers, complain about them still being able to sync, instead of removing the pvp format that they like to do it in.

AndroBubbles · Aug 20, 2010, 05:34 PM // 17:34

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Originally Posted by Swahnee

Why not merge gladiator and codex titles, leaving RA without title, and letting people who like to have their HoM statue play CA (which could revamp it perhaps)?

Screw that. I don't like Codex, and I shouldn't be forced to play it to increase my title. The problem with RA is syncers, not the RA format itself, so stop punishing people who actually like it for what it is.

Swahnee · Aug 20, 2010, 05:52 PM // 17:52

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Originally Posted by AndroBubbles

Screw that. I don't like Codex, and I shouldn't be forced to play it to increase my title. The problem with RA is syncers, not the RA format itself, so stop punishing people who actually like it for what it is.

Well, nobody forces you to grind your title, except yourself, that's a very old story

. However, i've already stated before that syncing is only one half of the problem, the other being the terrible attitude of grinders who take way too seriously a format that the community needs as a starting ground for newbies (hence a very forgiving one), who, instead, are now pushed away from PvP by the hatred they found there. Without TA and with CA almost dead there is nothing, except RA, where new people can start to make practice.

To Chicken To Die · Aug 20, 2010, 06:14 PM // 18:14

Don't blame Anet for bad gameplay. It's also the people that play who are complete RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOtards ruining the game. RA is all about resign, verbal abuse and mindRED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing teenagers sitting there every moment of the day when you log in. It's a dual of provoking each other and ruining other peoples play by leeching, leaving, trolling and having running/prot bars mend to run till times run out. Face it RA is like the 4chan off guildwars. Every game has haters but GW is filled with it. Anets fault is not dealing with the problem and even not aknowlegding it. Report tickets from verbal abuse, leeching (even with screens of people whispering they always leech and never get banned for it) always result in We can confirm this players is annoying but not going against any rules of violation.

But PvP is dead for long now and Anet either does not care of can't handle the situation.

Edit: Removing RA will only make those people express themself somewere else. There are enough solutions such as increasing the required Glad points (again) and reward 1 point every win and bonus points for every 5 consecutive. Toggle teams every match so your stuck with you teammates for only 1 match (prevents syncers, leavers, being kicked if one person hits 25 wins and people that resign to fast) and Anet should take actions against verbal abuse fixing the dishonerd system and actual doing something. A single support employ that goes over the all-chat in RA once in a time can suspend loads of acounts for verbal abuse etc and maybe if they moderate "more" (that is if they moderate at all) they have less support tickets.

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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

It's not like we (the Test Krewe) haven't discussed issues with RA in the past. We just haven't made a move on any changes because no ideas have sprung up that the Developers thought were so good that they'd deserve being implemented right away.

Yeah thats the problem devolpers that don't get idea's. That simply does not work. I mean c'mon it's like a car with no engine.

X Dr Pepper X · Aug 20, 2010, 07:02 PM // 19:02

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Originally Posted by Terrible Surgeon

So abusing the "system" is ok? It wasn't in HB and TA. They were deleted for "in the system abuse." Cheating is cheating...i don't care if its from an external source as you seem to be suggesting or a in game exploit that is found. It needs fixed, or ANET looks like a bunch of Hippocratic fools for deleting HB and TA saying those arenas were ABUSED and thus NEEDED deleted but then leaving RA to be abused..

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It needs fixed, or ANET looks like a bunch of Hippocratic fools for deleting HB and TA saying those arenas were ABUSED and thus NEEDED deleted but then leaving RA to be abused..

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like a bunch of Hippocratic fools

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Hippocratic

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocrates

That aside, lemmings idea is perfect.

And I agree that syncing is easily a form of cheating. Its not even arguable that it isn't. I agree with the OP.

"Cheating is an act of lying, deception, fraud, trickery, imposture, or imposition. Cheating characteristically is employed to create an unfair advantage, usually in one's own interest, and often at the expense of others." ~Wikipedia.

Lithril Ashwalker · Aug 20, 2010, 07:10 PM // 19:10

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Originally Posted by To Chicken To Die

RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO

lol i never got what this meant

To Chicken To Die · Aug 20, 2010, 07:20 PM // 19:20

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Originally Posted by Lithril Ashwalker

lol i never got what this meant

Neither did I but since today I know it's a word filter if you use the F word.

Terrible Surgeon · Aug 20, 2010, 07:54 PM // 19:54

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Originally Posted by Lithril Ashwalker

I agree with you on removing RA however your reasons are a bit unjustified. You say "I" too much and don't place many facts to backup your statement to why it should be removed. If you dislike RA, which is the vibe I'm getting, simply don't play it. Stop QQing in this thread unless you have viable proof to why your right. Also, you are QQing, as soon as someone said so you had to snap back as if you were ready to be called a troll. Gwguru's community has to deal with more important things than listen to the wasteful thread space like this. Go play jq/fa/ha...GG

Sounds like a troll...if you're mad about the suggestion that's fine. There were plenty of reasons outlined for my suggestion.Maybe you should go back and read something instead of flaming and QQing on here. Here is one screen shot of what a lot of people get to face in RA every 5 to 15 minutes of playing RA.

Lakdav · Aug 20, 2010, 07:57 PM // 19:57

I just returned to RA this week after months to find it the way you guys said. I was trying to understand why the hell do i always loose, never get a freakin monk and always going against a team with perfect balancing (not 2 monk or no monk at all, no 3 mesmers 1 ele etc.) I though i am that bad, which is depressing in a supposedly newbie friendly place. Before, i managed to get to rank3 glad with real honest RA. I dont care much about it but im proud of it for my own.

I would feel sorry for the good old RA should it be deleted, i enjoyed it, i could learn from my mistakes and gladly wrote "gg" into the public chat after a hard battle. But i didnt see any of these from others in 1 week. Thats sad.

Syncers IMO deserve ban from the arenas. But its not gonna happen, and wouldnt solve the problem as long as there is a reason to sync --> glad title is the sacrificial lamb. Its Anet's fault that they implemented meaningless titles to unlock some features like that statue in HoM or that show-off pvp rank emotes. Playing should be its own reward, not some ridiculusly simple reward (title track) which can be easily abused by some sad pathetic emotionaly scarred kids.

BTW i learned programming a little, so i think i can tell; Lemming's idea is easy to do.
-At the end of the usual 30sec countdown, see if there are a minimum of 2x4=8 player is gueued up, if more, cut from the end (i think this is how it works now, with all the districts)
-assign the 2x4 players to numbers from 0 to 7, then run a simple randomization:
random between 0-7, outcome should be called x (x is a number here, say 3) --> 1st party 1st character is the player who was assigned to the number x (3)
-random between 0-7 again, called y (say 6) --> 1st party 2nd char is player "y" (6)
after every random see if the given number is present already in the final queue. If present, random again. Do this until all assigned number is used up and have a place in the final queue.

These steps are purely mathematical and should take less than a second to do.

It doesnt take much to do this with not only 2x4 but with all the players the server can queue up at once, thoug having the server make 2 queues for 1 round halves the capacity of the server for that particular arena. I dont know about you, but i would wait gladly another 30 secs to play RA normaly. Most of the time you get in at once now.

Lawliet Kira · Aug 20, 2010, 08:05 PM // 20:05

If you hate is so very much...just stop playing it, some people like RA the way it is even though there are syncers...does it effect your gameplay by not playing it? So please, stfu

Revolutionen · Aug 20, 2010, 08:08 PM // 20:08

remove ra?? wtf ra is like the only pvp thing that I like

Benderama · Aug 20, 2010, 08:31 PM // 20:31

i'm still wondering why TA was removed and this wasn't theres already enough random stuff. at least they gave access to HA without players needing to beat RA (which didn't work as a system for unlocking higher tier PvP). personally i don't care, although i do like it as somewhere you can go in and not get yelled at for failing, even if your team would never win. theres only so many things you can do to stop sync teams, the easier one would be to give them their on PvP format?